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110%er [7714]
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Our school systems suck! The rules have gotten preposterous!
May 20, 2004, 3:30 PM
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Got off the phone with a local teacher, and he says a kid ( a seventh grader) was suspended for bringing a pocket knife to school. Here's the clincher,though....he realized he had it on him before school and turned it in to his teacher before school even started. well, darned if the pricipal doesnt get involved, and the next thing you know, along comes the fuzz. The poor kid ends up in the county detention center and is held until his parent pick him up.
Is this not crazy! What message does this send kids anyway! Hell, if you got a weapon, either use it, or dont tell anyone you have it! This enrages me! Is there no common sense these days!
Another crazy example of idiots running the schools....a kid in Union county NC was suspended recently for get this.....having a baseball bat in his back seat in the school parking lot! ###! Can a kid not play baseball without it being considered a weapon!
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CU Guru [1233]
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sounds like another case of 'zero tolerance'...
May 20, 2004, 3:38 PM
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all Zero Tolerance rules do is allow School administrators to NOT HAVE TO THINK about stuff.
Sad, but true...
/beginsarcasm
Hey, but thanks to Zero Tolerance, that little knife weilding delinquint is in the clink...
/endsarcasm
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Legend [18334]
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My favorite- the 6th grader said her grape juice was wine
May 20, 2004, 3:44 PM
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she got expelled or long suspension under the
zero tolerance no-alchohol policy.
And the fact THAT IT WASN'T WINE, doesn't matter
She said it was.
But it wasn't.
But she said it was...
We're doomed, and on this one you can't blame just
the lefties
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Varsity [104]
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Heaven forbid her mom pack her a Cheerwine in her lunch box!
May 20, 2004, 3:51 PM
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I woulda been in a lot of trouble in school based on the crap kids get in trouble for now days!!
And I only had detention one time in my whole school career!!
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Gotta love Hickory City Schools.***
May 20, 2004, 3:39 PM
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110%er [7714]
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Nah this was the redneck Bandy's area
May 20, 2004, 3:43 PM
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Hell, those kids bring frickin shotguns to school and get in less trouble.
Hey, did you hear about the 2 rednecks in the county who were playing around with their new bullet proof vest? Seems they were loaded on who knows what and took turns shooting a gun at each other while wearing the vest. One of them missed and shot the other in the leg. How redneck is that?
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null [85]
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Gun control
May 20, 2004, 3:46 PM
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IQ tests must be given out. What a bunch of morons.
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110%er [7714]
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Let the redneck have their fun with guns
May 20, 2004, 3:51 PM
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it weeds out the bad genes.
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Orange Beast [6164]
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I got suspended in high school for taking a freaking aspirin
May 20, 2004, 3:41 PM
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without giving my "stash of illegal substances" to the school nurse first.
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Hate to break it to ya, but it ain't the school systems.
May 20, 2004, 3:49 PM
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they are just responding to external public pressure.
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Orange Beast [6164]
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Obviously, the student had no bad intentions or he wouldn't
May 20, 2004, 3:51 PM
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have turned the knife over to the teacher. It seems like this could be handled differently than calling the police. Public pressure or not, the principal should at least show a little common sense.
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All-TigerNet [14518]
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sure, and if he didn't call the police and the kid showed up
May 20, 2004, 4:00 PM
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tomorrow and USED the knife everyone would be screaming for the principals head.
Y'all just don't get this...
in the world of education right now.. THERE IS NO ROOM FOR COMMON SENSE.
For example... if we are the least be concerned about a child undergoing abuse at the hands of their parents, and we don't notify DSS and it turns out that they are being abused... well the teacher is too blame...
and if we DO notify DSS, and the kid isn't being harmed... well, we make look stupid, but we can keep our job and not have a lawsuit thrown at us..
HOWEVER, in NC now... we've been told that the state WILL not represent us in a lawsuit if we talk to DSS about a child abuse case and NOT contact the parent in question first.
The school systems will only change when the public view of them does. Right now most err to the side of extreme caution in cases of weapons.
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Orange Beast [6164]
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What they NEED to do is bring back mass BEATINGS in the
May 20, 2004, 4:02 PM
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schools.
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I've said it many times... the current model of education
May 20, 2004, 4:06 PM
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is outdated, impractical, and corrupt.
Give me HALF of what the US is spending on education, and I bet within 15 years I'll have the best 'social' education program in the world.
It'll step on some toes, and it'll cause some sports programs to suffer (meaning fewer athletes).. but what are our schools all about?
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Orange Blooded [2301]
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Exactly. These rules are brought to you by the same
May 20, 2004, 3:58 PM
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people that brought us mandatory sentencing. Little Johnny gets the same punishment for turning in a knife that he forgot he had as the red-neck bully who is hiding the knife in his pocket.
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110%er [8142]
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That's unconscionable.
May 20, 2004, 4:02 PM
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No excuse. The principal should be fired and blackballed.
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All-TigerNet [14518]
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Why? he should be fired for following the law?***
May 20, 2004, 4:06 PM
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Thats the whole problem
May 20, 2004, 4:09 PM
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Its not with the kid, its not with the principal, and its not with the teacher. The problem is with the idiotic rules we have in place that does not allow any clear reasoning on a case by case basis. Mandatory minimum sentencing and other rules of that ilk have taken away any chance to make fair and balanced decisions. Until we throw a fit at these rules and demand that we come up with some that allow reason to be used we will continue to get this and much worse.
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All-TigerNet [14518]
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That's why I am asking why he wants to "fire and blackball"
May 20, 2004, 4:11 PM
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the principal. We in the school system don't make policy we follow it.
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Sorry I wasn't clearer, I was agreeing with you***
May 20, 2004, 4:13 PM
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110%er [8142]
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I completely agree the policy is a POS.***
May 20, 2004, 4:27 PM
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Orange Beast [6164]
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Y'all are going round in circles here...
May 20, 2004, 4:19 PM
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first it is unlawful to bring ANYTHING that can be construed as a weapon onto schools grounds (not a law the teachers made up BTW)..
so the kid brought a knife onto school grounds.
But Kilgore wants the principal fired... and for what? Calling the police? (which is the law when dealing with a weapons violation)
Now I haven't said it's a great law, or I LIKE this 0 tolerance... just sayin' it's OUR ### on the line in these types of situations, and if WE every got busted on NOT doing what those guys did... we'd be in deep ####.
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Orange Beast [6164]
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I understand all that clearly, I just think the whole system
May 20, 2004, 4:23 PM
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needs to change. They should be allowed to beat the crap out of these kids and do what their parent obviously ARE NOT doing anymore (discipline). Suspending a KID is NOT discipline, it's a vacation.
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All-TigerNet [14518]
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Well who is gonna beat who?
May 20, 2004, 4:28 PM
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Only female teachers spank girls? Male teachers spank boys?
Lawsuit city.
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Orange Beast [6164]
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Make school discipline immune to lawsuits. They can do that***
May 20, 2004, 4:30 PM
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Orange Beast [6164]
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That's the dumbest law I've ever heard. A pencil is just as
May 20, 2004, 4:29 PM
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dangerous as a knife. So are the METAL forks, etc. that you get in the lunch line.
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Zealot [801]
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Re: Y'all are going round in circles here...
May 20, 2004, 4:31 PM
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What criteria is involved in the determination of what a weapon is by the school system?
For example, most kids with cars at school probably have a tire iron in the trunk. Maybe at this point, it would not be considered a weapon, but say a kid carries it into the building in his backpack. Is it then a weapon? Is the difference being the location of it?
What about scissors? And other things of that nature?
(I am askinghonestly, not trying to flame)
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Historian [3201]
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Cobb is right the whole way down. The school are
May 20, 2004, 11:21 PM
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simply responding to sue-happy parents and society. You want to blame someone for this? Blame people looking for a quick buck and lawyers.
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